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Sean Lyons
2004-05-18 03:07:00 UTC
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OPEN LETTER TO KEITH BUTKOVICH



Since it is obvious that you wish to pull a smear campaign on my character,
I think it’s time to straighten out a few things you have wrong about me.



“Official means the County Road Commission runs the website. Lyons is
falsely claiming he is part of the Commission when he is just some loser
from the ghetto of Toledo, not even in the state of Michigan.”



I NEVER claimed to be a part of any road commission. My employer, The
Mannik & Smith Group, Inc. in Monroe, Michigan does work on some Monroe
County Road Commission projects, and I have personally worked on a few of
the projects myself. By my working on the projects, I do consider myself
logical. However, I do NOT consider myself a member of the Monroe County
Road Commission, or any Road Commission for that fact of matter. The web
site title is a pun in itself. But, I refuse to change it. Get over it.



As for the ghetto part, yes, I live in a neighborhood that isn’t quite
desirable. But, it’s home. I grew up 2 œ miles away from where I live now.
I love my neighborhood. I chose to live there. I lived in Sylvania, Ohio
for a year. I hated it. I’m used to the laid-back atmosphere of my
neighborhood. I returned and was welcomed back into the community like a
long-lost son. Sounds like you’re a bit jealous that you aren’t welcomed
anywhere. But, unfortunately, you brought it on yourself. Face facts, your
attitude sucks. That’s why most, if not everyone here, hates you.



“212 posts. I am popular! More popular than asshole Lyons.”



Who ever said MTR was a popularity contest? MTR, as far as I remember
correctly, is supposed to be a place to gather and kibbutz about roads and
highways and what ever comes to mind. Ever since you came here, all you
have managed to do is make a mockery of yourself. If this is your way of
gaining attention, you got it. Most of it, however, is bad attention. You
should be ashamed of yourself. Now, the room has to put up with responses
to your idiotic, childish, posts. GROW UP, KEITH! Maybe that is why your
parent’s kicked you out of your home. Maybe it would give you a chance to
enter the “real world” and give you an opportunity to grow up a bit. Guess
that lesson wasn’t well taken. In fact, you failed.



Keith, take this how you may, but, a bit of advice. GROW UP OR GET OUT! I’
m so sick and tired of dealing with children like you in a place were,
before you split your lid, was a decent place to hang out and post about
on-topic subjects.



I don’t give a shit about your so-called “meeting”, which we all know is a
fake, a sham, a cover for your attention-deficit problem. In fact, I don’t
give a shit about you anymore either. As for those every other week threats
of suicide, maybe you should think time before you talk yourself out of it.
Maybe a little over gas might clear your brain out.



And so, without regret, * PLONK *.



Lyons, out.

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"Corey Dukes" <webmaster#delmarvahighways.com>
2004-05-18 03:16:19 UTC
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To add to Sean's issues... here's the arrival of something that I'd like to
announce to MTR...

http://keithconversations.tripod.com/

Conversations With Keith... a website highlighting one of MTR's most
interesting characters...
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Corey Dukes
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I-420
2004-05-18 10:05:43 UTC
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Hell, I was just about to compose a letter myself. I guess we're all
thinking the same thing :)

To Keith: you sure do make a total ass of yourself. I once had
notoriety here myself, but I made perfect sense next to the idiotic
shit you post. The funniest part is that you have a case against
everyone here for no reason at all. I actually had REASONS for my
battles and you don't. NOBODY sympathizes with you.
Post by "Corey Dukes" <webmaster#delmarvahighways.com>
To add to Sean's issues... here's the arrival of something that I'd like to
announce to MTR...
http://keithconversations.tripod.com/
Conversations With Keith... a website highlighting one of MTR's most
interesting characters...
To Corey: that site there says it all :D
Sean Lyons
2004-05-18 10:59:27 UTC
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To add to Sean's issues... here's the arrival of something that I'd like to
announce to MTR...
http://keithconversations.tripod.com/
Conversations With Keith... a website highlighting one of MTR's most
interesting characters...
--
Corey Dukes
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Take a virtual trip on Delmarva's highways! Head over to
http://www.delmarvahighways.com and have fun!
Hey, Corey, you're going to have a big e-mail coming in the next few hours.
Hope it makes it.

Sean
Sherman Cahal
2004-05-18 13:51:07 UTC
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To add to Sean's issues... here's the arrival of something that I'd like
to
Post by "Corey Dukes" <webmaster#delmarvahighways.com>
announce to MTR...
http://keithconversations.tripod.com/
Conversations With Keith... a website highlighting one of MTR's most
interesting characters...
--
Corey Dukes
==========
Take a virtual trip on Delmarva's highways! Head over to
http://www.delmarvahighways.com and have fun!
Hey, Corey, you're going to have a big e-mail coming in the next few hours.
Hope it makes it.
Sean
I have a few logs myself I'd like to post...
mark edelstein
2004-05-18 17:11:06 UTC
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Post by "Corey Dukes" <webmaster#delmarvahighways.com>
To add to Sean's issues... here's the arrival of something that I'd like
to
Post by "Corey Dukes" <webmaster#delmarvahighways.com>
announce to MTR...
http://keithconversations.tripod.com/
Conversations With Keith... a website highlighting one of MTR's most
interesting characters...
--
Corey Dukes
==========
Take a virtual trip on Delmarva's highways! Head over to
http://www.delmarvahighways.com and have fun!
Hey, Corey, you're going to have a big e-mail coming in the next few hours.
Hope it makes it.
Sean
The internet...once again exacerbating someone's issues...

But it is, sad to say, really really funny. Keep up the good work.
Keith
2004-05-18 11:43:37 UTC
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To add to Sean's issues... here's the arrival of something that I'd like to
announce to MTR...
http://keithconversations.tripod.com/
Conversations With Keith... a website highlighting one of MTR's most
interesting characters...
You take that down right now. That is slander.
H.B. Elkins
2004-05-18 14:37:15 UTC
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Post by "Corey Dukes" <webmaster#delmarvahighways.com>
To add to Sean's issues... here's the arrival of something that I'd like to
announce to MTR...
http://keithconversations.tripod.com/
Conversations With Keith... a website highlighting one of MTR's most
interesting characters...
You take that down right now. That is slander.
Slander? Keith, *it's your own words!!!* Are you slandering yourself?

It might be a good time to remind everyone that any IM conversations
you have can be recorded, saved and logged -- and some of the software
packages set the default to save all the conversations. I actually
know of someone who had those logged conversations come back to haunt
him in a criminal prosecution.

So one moral of the story is not to say anything in a "private" IM
conversation that you wouldn't want posted to the Web, subpoenaed in a
court of law, or otherwise made public.

And Keith...

I've met several of the people *you* constantly call out and
borderline slander. Folks like Sherman, Adam, Dan, Sandor and a few
others. They're good guys. They would treat you with respect if you
would treat them with respect. I think they and the others would be
more than willing to leave you be if you'd just leave them be.

You seriously need to step back and reassess your life, your
involvement on MTR and your interaction with others in this forum. You
certainly are not winning friends -- and the only influencing of
people you're doing is to influence them not to like you.

Go ahead and call me an "asshole" or claim I hate you too -- I'm not,
I don't, but I don't really care what you say or think about me. I'm
just trying to offer you a little friendly advice from the prospective
of someone who probably alienated more than a few folks when he was in
his late teens.
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H.B. Elkins -- Beattyville, KY
http://www.millenniumhwy.net hbelkins(at)mis.net

"There's no doubt he's the best race driver in the world."
--Dale Jarrett, on the late Dale Earnhardt

Go Big Blue (Kentucky Wildcats)! Go #15 (Michael Waltrip, NAPA Chevy)!

To reply, just remove the restrictorplates...
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Chris Bessert
2004-05-18 15:56:50 UTC
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Post by Keith
You take that down right now. That is slander.
LOL!! ROTFLMAO!!

Keith: While we all sit here laughing our asses off at you, you may
want to go over to www.merriamwebster.com and look up the word
"slander." LOL!

On the other hand, I would LOVE to see Keith take himself to court
for slandering himself. I'm SURE he'd end up testifying against
himself...
Post by H.B. Elkins
Slander? Keith, *it's your own words!!!* Are you slandering yourself?
H.B.: Please recall Keith was threatening a lawsuit once against
someone who used the same colors he did on a website. Also recall
he wants to sue Sean Lyons and Barry Camp because Barry took a
photo of the same sign Keith did and Sean posted Barry's photo
on a website.
Post by H.B. Elkins
And Keith...
I've met several of the people *you* constantly call out and
borderline slander. Folks like Sherman, Adam, Dan, Sandor and a few
others. They're good guys. They would treat you with respect if you
would treat them with respect. I think they and the others would be
more than willing to leave you be if you'd just leave them be.
Evidenced by the sheer amount of personal time and effort many of them
wasted on Keith back when everyone thought he was serious about taking
his own life because "no one liked him," it's unlikely Keith will take
anyone's friendly advice. Of course, we have since found out just why
"no one likes him..."
Post by H.B. Elkins
Go ahead and call me an "asshole" or claim I hate you too -- I'm not,
I don't, but I don't really care what you say or think about me.
No, H.B., Keith's knee-jerk reaction is to inform you that you are a
homosexual. (You may want to inform your wife, H.B., as I think she's
out of the loop on this, too. I know mine was!)
Post by H.B. Elkins
I'm
just trying to offer you a little friendly advice from the prospective
of someone who probably alienated more than a few folks when he was in
his late teens.
Speaking of alienating people... It seems pretty much everyone on this
newsgroup has been called either "gay," "fag," "homo" or "asshole" by
Mr. Butkovich. I find it fascinating that for someone who possesses so
much vile hatred for those with a sexual orientation different from his
own, that he would continue patronizing such a "homo-filled" newsgroup!
I mean, if we're all gay, why is Keith still drawn to and mesmerized
by m.t.r? Hmm... Food for thought! (Or would that be "Gay food for
homo thought?")

Later,
Chris
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Larry Harvilla
2004-05-19 01:49:00 UTC
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Speaking of alienating people... It seems pretty much everyone on this
newsgroup has been called either "gay," "fag," "homo" or "asshole" by
Mr. Butkovich. I find it fascinating that for someone who possesses so
much vile hatred for those with a sexual orientation different from his
own, that he would continue patronizing such a "homo-filled" newsgroup!
I mean, if we're all gay, why is Keith still drawn to and mesmerized
by m.t.r? Hmm... Food for thought! (Or would that be "Gay food for
homo thought?")
Later,
Chris
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I think it's pretty simple, Chris. Keith wants me, seeing as I'm the only
actually and openly gay member of his "Asshole Club" -- of which you, Sean,
Dan Garnell, Joe Galea, and I seem to be the five charter members. :-D

(As I have joked on more than one occasion with Sean, Dan, and Joe on AOL
IM, and at least once here on the group, the fantasy of an orgy involving
the five aforementioned MTR members must REALLY get Keith off.) :-D

P.S. Hasn't anybody else ever thought to start calling him something more
proper, like Keith ILikeItUpTheButtkovich? :)
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I-420
2004-05-19 05:52:24 UTC
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I think it's pretty simple, Chris. Keith wants me, seeing as I'm the only
actually and openly gay member of his "Asshole Club" -- of which you, Sean,
Dan Garnell, Joe Galea, and I seem to be the five charter members. :-D
(As I have joked on more than one occasion with Sean, Dan, and Joe on AOL
IM, and at least once here on the group, the fantasy of an orgy involving
the five aforementioned MTR members must REALLY get Keith off.) :-D
P.S. Hasn't anybody else ever thought to start calling him something more
proper, like Keith ILikeItUpTheButtkovich? :)
To eerily echo what has been said about me in the past, I kinda think
Keith is a serious closet case. What do you think?
Dr. Phil Is Weird
2004-05-18 16:20:36 UTC
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Slander? Keith, *it's your own words!!!* Are you slandering yourself?
How do we know this log isn't faked?

A couple months ago I frequently used Keith's chat rooms, and he NEVER
made the type of comments that are attributed to him in this log. His
remarks were always pleasant and good-natured.

The people who oppose him were the ones who constantly made crude
remarks.
Chris Bessert
2004-05-18 16:55:31 UTC
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Post by H.B. Elkins
Slander? Keith, *it's your own words!!!* Are you slandering yourself?
How do we know this log isn't faked?
Because Keith has made similar remarks to many of us here via e-mail,
on the newsgroup and in chatrooms. If the log *was* fake, it was
altered to more closely resemble his own words, not to make him sound
worse. It's hard to sound much more worse than Keith already does...
Post by Dr. Phil Is Weird
A couple months ago I frequently used Keith's chat rooms, and he NEVER
made the type of comments that are attributed to him in this log. His
remarks were always pleasant and good-natured.
Hello, Tim? That's because you were playing on his turf by his own
rules. The moment you disagree with him or ask him to prove some of
his off-the-wall assertions, you're immediately labeled as "gay,"
"fag" or "asshole" (or all of the above). Kind of like you label
people as "conservative fascists" when they disagree with you. Hell,
Tim, you insulted me for voting for the "Repub-a-dubs" once when I
had voted for the Dems...
Post by Dr. Phil Is Weird
The people who oppose him were the ones who constantly made crude
remarks.
Tim: Do you understand why many of us make those "crude remarks?" It's
because so many of us spent so much of our own personal time and
energy trying to be friendly with him and talk him out of supposedly
killing himself... only to find it was all a lie and an attempt to
get attention. Well, Keith got the attention, just not the kind he
wants. Instead of all of us being his friend, we were instead insulted
by his actions and the nasty names he kept calling us. Even then, some
of us tried to help him out, only to be further insulted. So, fine
then. Since Keith keeps calling all of us are gay, homosexual, liberal
assholes, there's no way I'm going to go out of my way to be nice to
him.

Anyway, Tim, why do you like Keith so much? I'm suprised you don't
think he's Satan himself! Hell, if you think liberal-leaning Democrats
are "fasicsts," what do you think of one of the most close-minded,
hateful, conservative people here? Makes no sense at all...

Later,
Chris
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Dr. Phil Is Weird
2004-05-18 17:07:01 UTC
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Tim: Do you understand why many of us make those "crude remarks?" It's
because so many of us spent so much of our own personal time and
energy trying to be friendly with him and talk him out of supposedly
killing himself... only to find it was all a lie and an attempt to
get attention.
Keith isn't the only target of these crude remarks. Maybe I should post
the log where one of the regulars in the chat room made a racist remark
about someone.
Chris Bessert
2004-05-18 17:12:21 UTC
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Tim: Do you understand why many of us make those "crude remarks?" It's
because so many of us spent so much of our own personal time and
energy trying to be friendly with him and talk him out of supposedly
killing himself... only to find it was all a lie and an attempt to
get attention.
Keith isn't the only target of these crude remarks. Maybe I should post
the log where one of the regulars in the chat room made a racist remark
about someone.
As much as I abhor racist remarks, one racist remark is not comparable
to month after month after month of Keith's incessant insults and
inappropriate behavior. People can slip up, apologize and all is
forgotten. Keith, OTOH, *is* a slip-up here on m.t.r. He's been
banned from every other moderated forum for his inappropriate remarks
and actions as well as for repeatedly violating rules he agreed to
when joining those forums. There is no excuse for his behavior. He
needs to take responsibility for his own actions.

An inappropriate comment from one person at one time does not mini-
mize Keith's constant insults and inappropriate activity...

Later,
Chris
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Barry L. Camp
2004-05-18 16:27:16 UTC
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Post by "Corey Dukes" <webmaster#delmarvahighways.com>
To add to Sean's issues... here's the arrival of something that I'd like to
announce to MTR...
http://keithconversations.tripod.com/
Conversations With Keith... a website highlighting one of MTR's most
interesting characters...
You take that down right now. That is slander.
First of all, dolt, a little bit of Law 101: Slander is for things said.
Libel is for things published. If you were to make an accusation here, it
would be libel, not slander.

But it hardly matters here, because in either case, the posting of a
transcript of an actual conversation already available in the public domain
is not actionable.

However, falsely accusing others of committing criminal acts and publishing
those comments, as you have done in the past, is. One such example is the
following thread:

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&threadm=29af2a9e.0404051043.55cccd8c%40posting.google.com&rnum=1&prev=/groups%3Fq%3Dblcamp%2Bactionable%2Bgroup:misc.transport.road%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26group%3Dmisc.transport.road%26selm%3D29af2a9e.0404051043.55cccd8c%2540posting.google.com%26rnum%3D1

Sean has, in my view, a legitimate legal greivance against you. Let it be
known publicly that I would be happy to provide truthful testimony on his
behalf, as a witness to your libelous remarks posted on MTR. I am also
willing to be deposed on any other matter for which you have made actionable
comments.

You have been advised before to quit. I will suggest one more time: quit
while you are only as far behind as you are now. Be very clear about the
ramifications of your actions. This isn't just jerking people's chains
anymore: you are crossing a line that can bring you serious and long-lasting
legal repercussions. Think very carefully about how serious the trouble is
that you risk getting into before you go any further.
Richard Nixon 2k4
2004-05-19 03:39:09 UTC
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"Keith" <***@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:***@posting.google.com...
| "Corey Dukes" <webmaster#delmarvahighways.com> wrote in message news:<***@news.teranews.com>...
| > To add to Sean's issues... here's the arrival of something that I'd like
to
| > announce to MTR...
| >
| > http://keithconversations.tripod.com/
| >
| > Conversations With Keith... a website highlighting one of MTR's most
| > interesting characters...
|
|
| You take that down right now. That is slander.

Self-induced slander? That's one for the Lawyers.
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2004-05-19 13:15:31 UTC
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To add to Sean's issues... here's the arrival of something that I'd like to
announce to MTR...
http://keithconversations.tripod.com/
Conversations With Keith... a website highlighting one of MTR's most
interesting characters...
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2004-05-18 11:47:17 UTC
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OPEN LETTER TO KEITH BUTKOVICH
Since it is obvious that you wish to pull a smear campaign on my character,
I think it?s time to straighten out a few things you have wrong about me.
?Official means the County Road Commission runs the website. Lyons is
falsely claiming he is part of the Commission when he is just some loser
from the ghetto of Toledo, not even in the state of Michigan.?
I NEVER claimed to be a part of any road commission. My employer, The
Mannik & Smith Group, Inc. in Monroe, Michigan does work on some Monroe
County Road Commission projects, and I have personally worked on a few of
the projects myself. By my working on the projects, I do consider myself
logical. However, I do NOT consider myself a member of the Monroe County
Road Commission, or any Road Commission for that fact of matter. The web
site title is a pun in itself. But, I refuse to change it. Get over it.
As for the ghetto part, yes, I live in a neighborhood that isn?t quite
desirable. But, it?s home. I grew up 2 ½ miles away from where I live now.
I love my neighborhood. I chose to live there. I lived in Sylvania, Ohio
for a year. I hated it. I?m used to the laid-back atmosphere of my
neighborhood. I returned and was welcomed back into the community like a
long-lost son. Sounds like you?re a bit jealous that you aren?t welcomed
anywhere. But, unfortunately, you brought it on yourself. Face facts, your
attitude sucks. That?s why most, if not everyone here, hates you.
?212 posts. I am popular! More popular than asshole Lyons.?
Who ever said MTR was a popularity contest? MTR, as far as I remember
correctly, is supposed to be a place to gather and kibbutz about roads and
highways and what ever comes to mind. Ever since you came here, all you
have managed to do is make a mockery of yourself. If this is your way of
gaining attention, you got it. Most of it, however, is bad attention. You
should be ashamed of yourself. Now, the room has to put up with responses
to your idiotic, childish, posts. GROW UP, KEITH! Maybe that is why your
parent?s kicked you out of your home. Maybe it would give you a chance to
enter the ?real world? and give you an opportunity to grow up a bit. Guess
that lesson wasn?t well taken. In fact, you failed.
Keith, take this how you may, but, a bit of advice. GROW UP OR GET OUT! I?
m so sick and tired of dealing with children like you in a place were,
before you split your lid, was a decent place to hang out and post about
on-topic subjects.
I don?t give a shit about your so-called ?meeting?, which we all know is a
fake, a sham, a cover for your attention-deficit problem. In fact, I don?t
give a shit about you anymore either. As for those every other week threats
of suicide, maybe you should think time before you talk yourself out of it.
Maybe a little over gas might clear your brain out.
And so, without regret, * PLONK *.
Lyons, out.
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So you think your website is just a joke? I'd agree with that. It
sucks that much. You are just jealous that I live in a decent area and
you live in a neighborhood where half the homes should be condemned.
Why don't you move to the city of Detroit, since you love urban decay
so much.
Chris Bessert
2004-05-18 16:09:47 UTC
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[...] It sucks that much. [...]
Keith seems to have a "suck fetish." He's always saying he wants to...
er, I mean, everything sucks so much.

Later,
Chris
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Arif Khokar
2004-05-18 17:23:10 UTC
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Post by Sean Lyons
OPEN LETTER TO KEITH BUTKOVICH
Just out of curiosity, why are you so obsessed with Keith? A little
common sense would dictate that you killfile him and cease all contact
with him. If you, and the rest of the people who participated in this
thread do that, then this problem will just go away.
Brent
2004-05-18 21:13:30 UTC
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I'm thinking that "Keith" is really a made up character, with the intent of
pissing everyone off. Who knows who this "Keith" person really is??

-Brent
Steve
2004-05-18 21:28:18 UTC
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I'm thinking that "Keith" is really a made up character, with the intent of
pissing everyone off. Who knows who this "Keith" person really is??
-Brent
Some people have actually talked to him on the phone.
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Chris Bessert
2004-05-19 14:06:41 UTC
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I'm thinking that "Keith" is really a made up character, with the intent of
pissing everyone off. Who knows who this "Keith" person really is??
No, he's real... which is why several people here have a problem with
him. Some "entity" like "TFO" or some other made-up personality can
be ignored because it's merely someone trying to stir up trouble or
attempting to parody a situation. Keith, OTOH, really believes all
the crap he slings around here and I (and many others) take his insults
and threats as being real instead of a few more wasted electrons...

Later,
Chris
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Clayton Bigsby
2004-05-19 21:49:16 UTC
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I'm thinking that "Keith" is really a made up character, with the
intent of pissing everyone off. Who knows who this "Keith" person
really is??
No, he's real... which is why several people here have a problem with
him. Some "entity" like "TFO" or some other made-up personality can
be ignored because it's merely someone trying to stir up trouble or
attempting to parody a situation. Keith, OTOH, really believes all
the crap he slings around here and I (and many others) take his insults
and threats as being real instead of a few more wasted electrons...
His last name is "Butkovich," he's not real. C'mon.
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Chris Bessert
2004-05-20 13:38:43 UTC
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Post by Brent
I'm thinking that "Keith" is really a made up character, with the
intent of pissing everyone off. Who knows who this "Keith" person
really is??
No, he's real... which is why several people here have a problem with
him. Some "entity" like "TFO" or some other made-up personality can
be ignored because it's merely someone trying to stir up trouble or
attempting to parody a situation. Keith, OTOH, really believes all
the crap he slings around here and I (and many others) take his insults
and threats as being real instead of a few more wasted electrons...
His last name is "Butkovich," he's not real. C'mon.
Nope. He's real. I'm one of the many radio-nuts who are also road-
nuts and he's been hanging around the Michigan Broadcast Guide website
and associated message boards for several years. His county road signs
website started out as a low-power television (LPTV) site where we
wanted to list out the details of EVERY LPTV station in the country...
basically the kind of stuff you can find on the FCC's website. That's
why his URL has LPTV in it.

Later,
Chris
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Sean Lyons
2004-05-18 22:35:56 UTC
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OPEN LETTER TO KEITH BUTKOVICH
Just out of curiosity, why are you so obsessed with Keith? A little
common sense would dictate that you killfile him and cease all contact
with him. If you, and the rest of the people who participated in this
thread do that, then this problem will just go away.
Why am I "obsessed" with Keith. That is an awfully strong word, for one.
Two, he has decided to attempt to ruin my reputation on this newsgroup. I
don't think it is fair to myself that I feel I have to clear my name here.
I also don't think it is fair that everyone else here should be subjected to
his verbal, psychological, and just plain old abuse.

As for killfiling, after last night's letter, he has been killfiled. I said
my peace. It's time to turn over a new leaf. Unfortunately, he will not
go away until he has single-handed pissed off this whole newsgroup. Don't
expect him to go away easily.

Lyons
Arif Khokar
2004-05-19 00:19:19 UTC
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Just out of curiosity, why are you so obsessed with Keith? A little
common sense would dictate that you killfile him and cease all contact
with him. If you, and the rest of the people who participated in this
thread do that, then this problem will just go away.
Why am I "obsessed" with Keith. That is an awfully strong word, for one.
Two, he has decided to attempt to ruin my reputation on this newsgroup.
No offense, but most people who post to this newsgroup would realize
that your reputation would not be affected by whatever Keith says.
Except for a select few, I suspect that practically everyone else either
ignores him or has him killfiled (including myself).
Post by Sean Lyons
I
don't think it is fair to myself that I feel I have to clear my name here.
Your name/reputation hasn't been affected. You, and the rest of the
regulars who respond to Keith should realize that an idiot/troll calling
you names has no bearing on your real life or any standing you have in
this newsgroup.
Post by Sean Lyons
I also don't think it is fair that everyone else here should be subjected to
his verbal, psychological, and just plain old abuse.
Well, the only way to deal with that in an unmoderated newsgroup is to
killfile him. By responding to him, you give him what he wants. More
to the point, life isn't fair. It's pointless to debate with or make
fun of an idiot.
Post by Sean Lyons
As for killfiling, after last night's letter, he has been killfiled.
Good. Now let's hope that the rest of the participants in the thread
take the hint :)
Barry L. Camp
2004-05-19 00:58:59 UTC
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Well, the only way to deal with that in an unmoderated newsgroup is to
killfile him. By responding to him, you give him what he wants. More
to the point, life isn't fair. It's pointless to debate with or make
fun of an idiot.
Post by Sean Lyons
As for killfiling, after last night's letter, he has been killfiled.
Good. Now let's hope that the rest of the participants in the thread
take the hint :)
I understand and respect your opinion, but I have to (mildly) disagree with
you.

In most cases the old "ignore [him] and [he] will go away" tactic works. I
don't think it can for Keith.

This is why I say so: I'm not a psycologist or psychiatrist, but I have
taken some classes in the field and had a former girlfriend who got a psy
degree. For most people with "issues" where they always need attention, if
MOST of the people ignore that person, they will get the hint and move on.

But Keith's is an extreme case. He not only doesn't get the hint, he doesn't
get the suggestion, request, or demand, either. Furthermore, when people DO
ignore him for a while, he will make a post deliberately designed to stir up
as many people as possible.

My take: most of the people on MTR already have killfiled or ignore him
already. The only way for him to be completely out of the picture is to have
him killfiled by 100% of the MTR community. Period. As a practical matter,
that is not going to happen.

An additional and disturbing issue is that he simply doesn't care about the
repercussions of what he says and to whom. All Sean accomplishes by
killfiling Keith is not having to read the lastest of his (Keith's)
stupidity spasms. It does not prevent Keith from continuing said behavior.
In some ways, I think it may encourage him more.

I have killfiled many a moron from this group, for example, Bullis and
"friends". I feel that, regrettably, I must keep Keith's postings available
so that I may continue to monitor them... for actionable remarks. I believe
others may be doing the same thing.
Sean Lyons
2004-05-19 01:34:57 UTC
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Well, the only way to deal with that in an unmoderated newsgroup is to
killfile him. By responding to him, you give him what he wants. More
to the point, life isn't fair. It's pointless to debate with or make
fun of an idiot.
Post by Sean Lyons
As for killfiling, after last night's letter, he has been killfiled.
Good. Now let's hope that the rest of the participants in the thread
take the hint :)
I understand and respect your opinion, but I have to (mildly) disagree with
you.
In most cases the old "ignore [him] and [he] will go away" tactic works. I
don't think it can for Keith.
This is why I say so: I'm not a psycologist or psychiatrist, but I have
taken some classes in the field and had a former girlfriend who got a psy
degree. For most people with "issues" where they always need attention, if
MOST of the people ignore that person, they will get the hint and move on.
But Keith's is an extreme case. He not only doesn't get the hint, he doesn't
get the suggestion, request, or demand, either. Furthermore, when people DO
ignore him for a while, he will make a post deliberately designed to stir up
as many people as possible.
My take: most of the people on MTR already have killfiled or ignore him
already. The only way for him to be completely out of the picture is to have
him killfiled by 100% of the MTR community. Period. As a practical matter,
that is not going to happen.
An additional and disturbing issue is that he simply doesn't care about the
repercussions of what he says and to whom. All Sean accomplishes by
killfiling Keith is not having to read the lastest of his (Keith's)
stupidity spasms. It does not prevent Keith from continuing said behavior.
In some ways, I think it may encourage him more.
I have killfiled many a moron from this group, for example, Bullis and
"friends". I feel that, regrettably, I must keep Keith's postings available
so that I may continue to monitor them... for actionable remarks. I believe
others may be doing the same thing.
Ok, so call it an "informal" killfile. I will read Keith's posts, but I'm
not going to respond and add to the inferno taking place already. I do need
that Keith fix to make me realize I really am sane.

Lyons
Steve
2004-05-19 07:30:05 UTC
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Ok, so call it an "informal" killfile. I will read Keith's posts, but I'm
not going to respond and add to the inferno taking place already. I do need
that Keith fix to make me realize I really am sane.
If you REALLY wanted to feel sane, you're using waaaay too weak a
measure of comparison. ;)
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Keith
2004-05-19 13:21:23 UTC
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Well, the only way to deal with that in an unmoderated newsgroup is to
killfile him. By responding to him, you give him what he wants. More
to the point, life isn't fair. It's pointless to debate with or make
fun of an idiot.
Post by Sean Lyons
As for killfiling, after last night's letter, he has been killfiled.
Good. Now let's hope that the rest of the participants in the thread
take the hint :)
I understand and respect your opinion, but I have to (mildly) disagree
with
Post by Barry L. Camp
you.
In most cases the old "ignore [him] and [he] will go away" tactic works. I
don't think it can for Keith.
This is why I say so: I'm not a psycologist or psychiatrist, but I have
taken some classes in the field and had a former girlfriend who got a psy
degree. For most people with "issues" where they always need attention, if
MOST of the people ignore that person, they will get the hint and move on.
But Keith's is an extreme case. He not only doesn't get the hint, he
doesn't
Post by Barry L. Camp
get the suggestion, request, or demand, either. Furthermore, when people
DO
Post by Barry L. Camp
ignore him for a while, he will make a post deliberately designed to stir
up
Post by Barry L. Camp
as many people as possible.
My take: most of the people on MTR already have killfiled or ignore him
already. The only way for him to be completely out of the picture is to
have
Post by Barry L. Camp
him killfiled by 100% of the MTR community. Period. As a practical matter,
that is not going to happen.
An additional and disturbing issue is that he simply doesn't care about
the
Post by Barry L. Camp
repercussions of what he says and to whom. All Sean accomplishes by
killfiling Keith is not having to read the lastest of his (Keith's)
stupidity spasms. It does not prevent Keith from continuing said behavior.
In some ways, I think it may encourage him more.
I have killfiled many a moron from this group, for example, Bullis and
"friends". I feel that, regrettably, I must keep Keith's postings
available
Post by Barry L. Camp
so that I may continue to monitor them... for actionable remarks. I
believe
Post by Barry L. Camp
others may be doing the same thing.
Ok, so call it an "informal" killfile. I will read Keith's posts, but I'm
not going to respond and add to the inferno taking place already. I do need
that Keith fix to make me realize I really am sane.
Lyons
Keith fix? That's sick.
Larry Harvilla
2004-05-19 01:37:44 UTC
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I understand and respect your opinion, but I have to (mildly) disagree with
you.
In most cases the old "ignore [him] and [he] will go away" tactic works. I
don't think it can for Keith.
This is why I say so: I'm not a psycologist or psychiatrist, but I have
taken some classes in the field and had a former girlfriend who got a psy
degree. For most people with "issues" where they always need attention, if
MOST of the people ignore that person, they will get the hint and move on.
But Keith's is an extreme case. He not only doesn't get the hint, he doesn't
get the suggestion, request, or demand, either. Furthermore, when people DO
ignore him for a while, he will make a post deliberately designed to stir up
as many people as possible.
My take: most of the people on MTR already have killfiled or ignore him
already. The only way for him to be completely out of the picture is to have
him killfiled by 100% of the MTR community. Period. As a practical matter,
that is not going to happen.
An additional and disturbing issue is that he simply doesn't care about the
repercussions of what he says and to whom. All Sean accomplishes by
killfiling Keith is not having to read the lastest of his (Keith's)
stupidity spasms. It does not prevent Keith from continuing said behavior.
In some ways, I think it may encourage him more.
I have killfiled many a moron from this group, for example, Bullis and
"friends". I feel that, regrettably, I must keep Keith's postings available
so that I may continue to monitor them... for actionable remarks. I believe
others may be doing the same thing.
Barry, I can totally agree with your rationale for not killfiling Keith,
and I say more power to you. Sooner or later, you or anybody else
monitoring Keith is bound to have something to use in court. At the same
time, though, I'm sure that just as many people are keeping Keith's posts
for the same reason I do -- to get one hell of a good laugh. :) His rabid
rantings just crack me up.
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Arif Khokar
2004-05-19 16:11:15 UTC
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As for killfiling, after last night's letter, he has been killfiled.
Good. Now let's hope that the rest of the participants in the thread
take the hint :)
I understand and respect your opinion, but I have to (mildly) disagree with
you.
In most cases the old "ignore [him] and [he] will go away" tactic works. I
don't think it can for Keith.
It can. Looking through google for posts by Keith, I find that he tends
to mention a certain group of posters. I also noted that the posters
who are mentioned by name are the ones who typically respond. Other
regular posters on m.t.r are not mentioned and I haven't seen any of
them respond to Keith's posts either.
Post by Barry L. Camp
He not only doesn't get the hint, he doesn't
get the suggestion, request, or demand, either.
Which is why I stated that arguing with an idiot is pointless.
Post by Barry L. Camp
Furthermore, when people DO
ignore him for a while, he will make a post deliberately designed to stir up
as many people as possible.
And if everyone has him killfiled, no one will see his posts.
Post by Barry L. Camp
The only way for him to be completely out of the picture is to have
him killfiled by 100% of the MTR community. Period. As a practical matter,
that is not going to happen.
It can happen. Whoever you killfile is under your control.
Post by Barry L. Camp
An additional and disturbing issue is that he simply doesn't care about the
repercussions of what he says and to whom.
Most trolls won't care, or they get a kick out of it. Complaining about
it just gives them what they want.
Post by Barry L. Camp
All Sean accomplishes by
killfiling Keith is not having to read the lastest of his (Keith's)
stupidity spasms. It does not prevent Keith from continuing said behavior.
In some ways, I think it may encourage him more.
Out of sight, out of mind. Honestly, I don't give a rat's ass what he
says about me or anyone else. I have him killfiled and that's the end
of the story. I thought that killfiling him and any threads that he
started would solve the problem, but then Sean decided to start this
thread...
Post by Barry L. Camp
I have killfiled many a moron from this group, for example, Bullis and
"friends".
That's an example where you have a 100% killfile rate. No one responds
to their posts (at least from what I've seen).
Post by Barry L. Camp
I feel that, regrettably, I must keep Keith's postings available
so that I may continue to monitor them... for actionable remarks.
Then please just archive his posts for your record and don't bother
responding. If he makes threats or writes libelous statements, then
take it up with law enforcement.
Pete Jenior
2004-05-19 00:27:48 UTC
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I was expecting this to start with that most famous of mtr lines, "Do us all
a favor and ..."

Sean, your ponts are good and valid but I think every reasonable person on
this forum already agrees with you and not a whole lot was accomplished by
posting this...

Just my opinion
Pete
Post by Sean Lyons
OPEN LETTER TO KEITH BUTKOVICH
Since it is obvious that you wish to pull a smear campaign on my character,
I think it's time to straighten out a few things you have wrong about me.
"Official means the County Road Commission runs the website. Lyons is
falsely claiming he is part of the Commission when he is just some loser
from the ghetto of Toledo, not even in the state of Michigan."
I NEVER claimed to be a part of any road commission. My employer, The
Mannik & Smith Group, Inc. in Monroe, Michigan does work on some Monroe
County Road Commission projects, and I have personally worked on a few of
the projects myself. By my working on the projects, I do consider myself
logical. However, I do NOT consider myself a member of the Monroe County
Road Commission, or any Road Commission for that fact of matter. The web
site title is a pun in itself. But, I refuse to change it. Get over it.
As for the ghetto part, yes, I live in a neighborhood that isn't quite
desirable. But, it's home. I grew up 2 œ miles away from where I live
now.
Post by Sean Lyons
I love my neighborhood. I chose to live there. I lived in Sylvania, Ohio
for a year. I hated it. I'm used to the laid-back atmosphere of my
neighborhood. I returned and was welcomed back into the community like a
long-lost son. Sounds like you're a bit jealous that you aren't welcomed
anywhere. But, unfortunately, you brought it on yourself. Face facts, your
attitude sucks. That's why most, if not everyone here, hates you.
"212 posts. I am popular! More popular than asshole Lyons."
Who ever said MTR was a popularity contest? MTR, as far as I remember
correctly, is supposed to be a place to gather and kibbutz about roads and
highways and what ever comes to mind. Ever since you came here, all you
have managed to do is make a mockery of yourself. If this is your way of
gaining attention, you got it. Most of it, however, is bad attention.
You
Post by Sean Lyons
should be ashamed of yourself. Now, the room has to put up with responses
to your idiotic, childish, posts. GROW UP, KEITH! Maybe that is why your
parent's kicked you out of your home. Maybe it would give you a chance to
enter the "real world" and give you an opportunity to grow up a bit.
Guess
Post by Sean Lyons
that lesson wasn't well taken. In fact, you failed.
Keith, take this how you may, but, a bit of advice. GROW UP OR GET OUT!
I'
Post by Sean Lyons
m so sick and tired of dealing with children like you in a place were,
before you split your lid, was a decent place to hang out and post about
on-topic subjects.
I don't give a shit about your so-called "meeting", which we all know is a
fake, a sham, a cover for your attention-deficit problem. In fact, I
don't
Post by Sean Lyons
give a shit about you anymore either. As for those every other week threats
of suicide, maybe you should think time before you talk yourself out of it.
Maybe a little over gas might clear your brain out.
And so, without regret, * PLONK *.
Lyons, out.
--
Sean Lyons
http://www.great-lakes-hwys.org/michigan/Countysigns
http://www.great-lakes-hwys.org/ohio/Countysigns
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2004-05-18 16:30:01 UTC
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OPEN LETTER TO KEITH BUTKOVICH
"212 posts. I am popular! More popular than asshole Lyons."
Actually, I would dispute that figure as well now.


http://netscan.research.microsoft.com/ReportCard.asp?timespan=q&searchfor=misc.transport.road&searchdate=1%2F1%2F2004

Maybe someone can help me out and point out Keith to me on the listings, but
I don't see him on there.....at all.
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Lyons, out.
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Christopher Steig
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Keith, I'm rather suprised you haven't smeared me yet, other than
telling me to go to hell, and not Hell MI.

But I've just the place for you, considering your attitudes.
www.lonaf.com
This board has a forum where anything goes: No Holds Barred. You can
troll and flame to your heart's content. We only have a couple rules
that if followed will keep you from getting warned and banned:
Trolling and flaming is not allowed on the rest of the board, and dual
accounts are not tolerated.

Other than that, you should fit right in: There are several gay
members, several Canadian members (and one Gay Canadian!), and most
members are fairly left leaning.

Take a glance at the board; the invitation is open.

Christopher
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OPEN LETTER TO KEITH BUTKOVICH
Since it is obvious that you wish to pull a smear campaign on my character,
I think it’s time to straighten out a few things you have wrong about me.
“Official means the County Road Commission runs the website. Lyons is
falsely claiming he is part of the Commission when he is just some loser
from the ghetto of Toledo, not even in the state of Michigan.”
I NEVER claimed to be a part of any road commission. My employer, The
Mannik & Smith Group, Inc. in Monroe, Michigan does work on some Monroe
County Road Commission projects, and I have personally worked on a few of
the projects myself. By my working on the projects, I do consider myself
logical. However, I do NOT consider myself a member of the Monroe County
Road Commission, or any Road Commission for that fact of matter. The web
site title is a pun in itself. But, I refuse to change it. Get over it.
As for the ghetto part, yes, I live in a neighborhood that isn’t quite
desirable. But, it’s home. I grew up 2 ½ miles away from where I live now.
I love my neighborhood. I chose to live there. I lived in Sylvania, Ohio
for a year. I hated it. I’m used to the laid-back atmosphere of my
neighborhood. I returned and was welcomed back into the community like a
long-lost son. Sounds like you’re a bit jealous that you aren’t welcomed
anywhere. But, unfortunately, you brought it on yourself. Face facts, your
attitude sucks. That’s why most, if not everyone here, hates you.
“212 posts. I am popular! More popular than asshole Lyons.”
Who ever said MTR was a popularity contest? MTR, as far as I remember
correctly, is supposed to be a place to gather and kibbutz about roads and
highways and what ever comes to mind. Ever since you came here, all you
have managed to do is make a mockery of yourself. If this is your way of
gaining attention, you got it. Most of it, however, is bad attention. You
should be ashamed of yourself. Now, the room has to put up with responses
to your idiotic, childish, posts. GROW UP, KEITH! Maybe that is why your
parent’s kicked you out of your home. Maybe it would give you a chance to
enter the “real world” and give you an opportunity to grow up a bit. Guess
that lesson wasn’t well taken. In fact, you failed.
Keith, take this how you may, but, a bit of advice. GROW UP OR GET OUT! I’
m so sick and tired of dealing with children like you in a place were,
before you split your lid, was a decent place to hang out and post about
on-topic subjects.
I don’t give a shit about your so-called “meeting”, which we all know is a
fake, a sham, a cover for your attention-deficit problem. In fact, I don’t
give a shit about you anymore either. As for those every other week threats
of suicide, maybe you should think time before you talk yourself out of it.
Maybe a little over gas might clear your brain out.
And so, without regret, * PLONK *.
Lyons, out.
--
Sean Lyons
http://www.great-lakes-hwys.org/michigan/Countysigns
http://www.great-lakes-hwys.org/ohio/Countysigns
http://www.great-lakes-hwys.org/ohio/NWOHwys
Yall talking that yaya about my boy Keith. I'm gonna NAE NAE ON YOUR BItch A$$

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Yall talking that yaya about my boy Keith. I'm gonna NAE NAE ON YOUR BItch A$$
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