Discussion:
No US 412 Siloam Springs bypass to be built
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Premier Bush
2007-02-03 09:29:22 UTC
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http://www.arkansashighways.com/News/News%202007/NR07-013.htm

The Arkansas State Highway and Transportation Department (AHTD) has
completed an Environmental Assessment (EA) for Highway 412 improvements in
the vicinity of Siloam Springs, Arkansas, and West Siloam Springs, Oklahoma.
After careful consideration of the information contained in the EA and
the comments received at the Location Public Hearing held on November 28,
2006, the AHTD, in conjunction with the Oklahoma Department of
Transportation and the Federal Highway Administration, has identified
improving existing Highway 412 as the Preferred Alternative. Improving
existing Highway 412 consists of widening the highway to six travel lanes,
installing a median, and curb and gutter design. Left turn lanes will be
constructed at intersecting streets.

Improving existing Highway 412 meets the primary purpose and need of
the project by adequately carrying the corridor's projected traffic volumes,
thereby satisfying the needs of the community for the next twenty years.
The alternative to improve existing Highway 412 had the highest number of
supporting comments from the public, would require only minimal amounts of
new right of way, should not require the relocation of any businesses or
personal properties, had the fewest environmental impacts, and has the
lowest cost of any of the alternatives. In addition, the construction of
any of the bypass alternatives would not alleviate the need for improvements
to existing Highway 412.

The decision was made in consultation with other agencies, including
the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency,
the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, and the Arkansas Game and Fish
Commission, and with consideration of public comments collected throughout
the environmental review process.

The next step in project development for improving existing Highway 412
in Siloam Springs and West Siloam Springs will be to conduct surveys,
archeological work and preliminary design. Once the preliminary design is
completed and the right of way limits are established, a Design Public
Hearing will be held in the area. After comments from this Design Public
Hearing have been addressed, the AHTD will request approval from the Federal
Highway Administration in order to proceed with implementation of the
proposed improvements as funds become available.
Butterfield Trail
2007-02-03 13:40:31 UTC
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US 412 in "Slime Mold" Springs is currently 5 lanes: 2 lanes in each
direction and a left turn lane. How in blazes does anyone expect to widen
the road *without* affecting businesses? "oh, hi we're AHTD. We won't need
to to take your business away from you, just you're whole parking lot". The
only way they can do this is to make the lanes so narrow that the semis have
to use 2 lanes.

What does AHTD propose to do with all the traffic signals? "Gee, there's so
much traffic now, may we neeed MORE traffic signals".

What are these guys smoking?
Ronnie Dobbs
2007-02-09 04:32:07 UTC
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Post by Butterfield Trail
US 412 in "Slime Mold" Springs is currently 5 lanes: 2 lanes in each
direction and a left turn lane. How in blazes does anyone expect to
widen the road *without* affecting businesses? "oh, hi we're AHTD. We
won't need to to take your business away from you, just you're whole
parking lot". The only way they can do this is to make the lanes so
narrow that the semis have to use 2 lanes.
Like 71 through Mena.

"CA-78" @duh.net>
2007-02-03 16:54:14 UTC
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Ok, after reading this, All I have to say is:

AHTD and Siloam Springs will be sorry that they did not build the bypass!


Joe
(I sniff road maps.)

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http://www.arkansashighways.com/News/News%202007/NR07-013.htm

The Arkansas State Highway and Transportation Department (AHTD) has
completed an Environmental Assessment (EA) for Highway 412 improvements in
the vicinity of Siloam Springs, Arkansas, and West Siloam Springs, Oklahoma.
After careful consideration of the information contained in the EA and
the comments received at the Location Public Hearing held on November 28,
2006, the AHTD, in conjunction with the Oklahoma Department of
Transportation and the Federal Highway Administration, has identified
improving existing Highway 412 as the Preferred Alternative. Improving
existing Highway 412 consists of widening the highway to six travel lanes,
installing a median, and curb and gutter design. Left turn lanes will be
constructed at intersecting streets.
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Butterfield Trail
2007-02-03 17:27:30 UTC
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Post by "CA-78" @duh.net>
AHTD and Siloam Springs will be sorry that they did not build the bypass!
AMEN!
Premier Bush
2007-02-03 20:12:53 UTC
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Post by "CA-78" @duh.net>
AHTD and Siloam Springs will be sorry that they did not build the bypass!
So will traffic heading from Tulsa to Springdale and points beyond.
Butterfield Trail
2007-02-03 22:31:40 UTC
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Post by Premier Bush
Post by "CA-78" @duh.net>
AHTD and Siloam Springs will be sorry that they did not build the bypass!
So will traffic heading from Tulsa to Springdale and points beyond.
There are already plans for a Chicken-dale Bypass... unless AHTD changes its
mind.
G***@AOL.com
2007-02-04 03:47:27 UTC
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Post by Premier Bush
http://www.arkansashighways.com/News/News%202007/NR07-013.htm
The Arkansas State Highway and Transportation Department (AHTD) has
completed an Environmental Assessment (EA) for Highway 412 improvements in
the vicinity of Siloam Springs, Arkansas, and West Siloam Springs, Oklahoma.
� � �After careful consideration of the information contained in the EA and
the comments received at the Location Public Hearing held on November 28,
2006, the AHTD, in conjunction with the Oklahoma Department of
Transportation and the Federal Highway Administration, has identified
improving existing Highway 412 as the Preferred Alternative. �Improving
existing Highway 412 consists of widening the highway to six travel lanes,
installing a median, and curb and gutter design. �Left turn lanes will be
constructed at intersecting streets.
� � �Improving existing Highway 412 meets the primary purpose and need of
the project by adequately carrying the corridor's projected traffic volumes,
thereby satisfying the needs of the community for the next twenty years.
The alternative to improve existing Highway 412 had the highest number of
supporting comments from the public, would require only minimal amounts of
new right of way, should not require the relocation of any businesses or
personal properties, had the fewest environmental impacts, and has the
lowest cost of any of the alternatives. �In addition, the construction of
any of the bypass alternatives would not alleviate the need for improvements
to existing Highway 412.
Unfortunately, it sounds like the Purpose and Need were not defined in
such a way that a bypass would be required to satisfy it. Merely
meeting projected traffic volumes does not reduce travel times for
thru traffic -- the whole point of a bypass.

Guy Olsen, PE(NJ), PTOE
Butterfield Trail
2007-02-04 05:45:19 UTC
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http://www.nwanews.com/adg/News/180720/

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Under the recommendation, U. S. 412 would be widened from Beaver Creek in
West Siloam Springs, Okla., to one mile east of Arkansas 16, the news
release states. The Highway Department researched its recommendation in
conjunction with the Oklahoma Department of Transportation and the Federal
Highway Administration.

The 4. 5-mile route was selected from a pool of four alternatives, according
to the release. Other choices included bypass projects that ran north and
south of Siloam Springs.

Improving the existing roadway is the best alternative because the bypass
routes had little public support, according to the release. Siloam Springs
residents opposed all three bypass designs at a February 2004 public
hearing.

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