Discussion:
New York State License Plate Prefixes
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John Hertzburg
2003-08-10 08:09:10 UTC
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I noticed that Western New York has some rather unique county/local
license plate prefixes. The ones I know of are:

NF (Niagara Falls)
LP (Lockport)
NT (North Tonawanda)
WY (Wyoming County)
BUF (Buffalo)

Not quite sure:

E (Erie County)
EC (Erie County)
GS (Genesse County)

Do anyone know the history of these prefixes. Were they set aside as
they went through the plate sequence many years ago? Do the owner
have to relinquish them if they move away? Can new registrants have
the prefixes?

I'm really curious if other parts of New York State have such
prefixes, particularly in NYC and Eastern LI.

Regards,

John Hertzburg
J.P. and Earl
2003-08-10 12:01:43 UTC
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Up until the Empire Plates, New York used location prefixes for the original
issue of plates. Usually, they were based on the county, city or village
name of your local DMV office.

The prefix was a two-digit letter code with the third letter being part of
the numbering. The code was usually derived from the first two letters of a
said location. However, if another location had the same first two letters,
they would use the first letter and another letter in the name.

Also, once a prefix was "used up", they would increase the second letter of
the prefix by one letter, as long as it wasn't used in another location.
They would do this twice, so the second letter could be two letters away
from the letter that's in the name.

For example, with the Liberty plates, Chautauqua County used
CH, CJ, CK. In addition to these, Chautauqua County also used JT (for
Jamestown)

Oswego County used OS, OW, OX. They also used PN (for Pulaski - location of
one of the Oswego Co DMV offices).

Interestingly, since there are so many "o" counties in New York, Onondaga
County used ON, but then went to JJ and JK.

Oneida County used a "J" series too, but I can't remember what it is.

When they started running out of numbers is when they started the
"scrambling", however, the first scramble still used the location prefixes
(number-two letters-three numbers). For example, when I moved back to N.Y.
from Massachusetts, I registered my car in Columbia County. My license
plate began with "2CB".

Beginning with the second "scramble" (letter-number-letter-three numbers),
they were just random. Same with the last "scramble" (letter-three
numbers-two letters)

The new Empire plates are sequential starting with AAA. We are somewhere in
the C's right now. There's no location codes with them.

The blue-on-gold plates used county prefixes as well, but some of them were
different for some reason. For example, Oswego County used OS but then went
to OE.

J.P. Wing
Post by John Hertzburg
I noticed that Western New York has some rather unique county/local
NF (Niagara Falls)
LP (Lockport)
NT (North Tonawanda)
WY (Wyoming County)
BUF (Buffalo)
E (Erie County)
EC (Erie County)
GS (Genesse County)
Do anyone know the history of these prefixes. Were they set aside as
they went through the plate sequence many years ago? Do the owner
have to relinquish them if they move away? Can new registrants have
the prefixes?
I'm really curious if other parts of New York State have such
prefixes, particularly in NYC and Eastern LI.
Regards,
John Hertzburg
John Hertzburg
2003-08-11 18:00:45 UTC
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Post by J.P. and Earl
Up until the Empire Plates, New York used location prefixes for the original
issue of plates. Usually, they were based on the county, city or village
name of your local DMV office.
The prefix was a two-digit letter code with the third letter being part of
the numbering. The code was usually derived from the first two letters of a
said location. However, if another location had the same first two letters,
they would use the first letter and another letter in the name.
Also, once a prefix was "used up", they would increase the second letter of
the prefix by one letter, as long as it wasn't used in another location.
They would do this twice, so the second letter could be two letters away
from the letter that's in the name.
For example, with the Liberty plates, Chautauqua County used
CH, CJ, CK. In addition to these, Chautauqua County also used JT (for
Jamestown)
Oswego County used OS, OW, OX. They also used PN (for Pulaski - location of
one of the Oswego Co DMV offices).
Interestingly, since there are so many "o" counties in New York, Onondaga
County used ON, but then went to JJ and JK.
Oneida County used a "J" series too, but I can't remember what it is.
When they started running out of numbers is when they started the
"scrambling", however, the first scramble still used the location prefixes
(number-two letters-three numbers). For example, when I moved back to N.Y.
from Massachusetts, I registered my car in Columbia County. My license
plate began with "2CB".
Beginning with the second "scramble" (letter-number-letter-three numbers),
they were just random. Same with the last "scramble" (letter-three
numbers-two letters)
The new Empire plates are sequential starting with AAA. We are somewhere in
the C's right now. There's no location codes with them.
The blue-on-gold plates used county prefixes as well, but some of them were
different for some reason. For example, Oswego County used OS but then went
to OE.
J.P. Wing
Very interesting. As a relatively newcomer I would never have known.
IMO, the new Empire plates are awful in terms of their readability.
The dies they use are two narrow and tight. Oddly enough, their flat
plates are more readable.

Regards,

John Hertzburg
Scott D Fybush
2003-08-14 15:06:58 UTC
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JP mixed up two separate sequences of plate numbering, methinks.

The "E" and "NF" and "JX" plates that the OP inquired about are what
are called "county clerk" plates, issued at the discretion of the local
county clerk.

Here in Monroe County, the available prefixes are M, MC, MM, MN, MR, 1M,
2M, 3M, 4M, 5M and TU (the latter a long-ago favor to employees of the
now-defunct Times-Union newspaper, apparently.)

And if you know the right questions to ask when registering your vehicle
at one of the DMV offices operated by the county clerk (which is all of
them in Monroe County these days), you can get one of those plates at no
extra charge, as I did when I moved back here in 1997.

Funny thing with that - it turns out that my chosen plate, M401, should
never have been issued by the county clerk's office, as that same sequence
had ALREADY been issued as a vanity plate elsewhere in the state. And would
you believe it took more than five years before Albany figured that out
(when the "other" M401 needed his/her plates reissued) and made me change
plate numbers?

(Part of the problem was that, up through and including the Liberty plates,
the state stamped the full sequence of clerk plates for each county and
shipped them to the appropriate county clerk, and only THEN sent out a list
of which plates were duplicated in other series - primarily as vanity plates -
and should be pulled. It seems that nobody at my local office got that note
and pulled M401 before it could be issued to me. With the new blue-and-white
plates, the county has to order new clerk plates individually, providing
an additional check on the system; apparently, the state still issued them
M1 through M199 readymade, as I was able to acquire two - consecutive, even -
plates from that series to replace my old M401 and my wife's 2M802.)

In any case, county clerk plates consist of a one-letter, two-letter or
number-letter prefix followed by one, two, three or four digits, never
(in my experience) higher than 2000. They never duplicate the old six-figure
Liberty plates, which started out as LLL NNN, then NLL NNN, then LNN NNL.

(The first three figures on those plates WERE county-based; here in
Monroe we started off with a lot of Mxx NNN, then Ixx NNN before they ran
out of numbers. The gold-and-blue plates that preceded the Liberty plates
were also county-based, but in NNN LLL format and with the last three
figures unique to each county. The current blue-and-white plates are
apparently being issued in a statewide series; they started at AAA 0000
and are currently somewhere in the late Cxx range.)

But back to the county clerk plate: they definitely seem more common in
some areas than in others. They're quite frequently seen in Monroe; I rarely
see any downstate, and wouldn't even know what the prefixes are for some
of the counties down there. It really does seem to be at the clerk's
discretion as to how they're issued.

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Larry Stone
2003-08-16 04:12:22 UTC
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Post by Scott D Fybush
The "E" and "NF" and "JX" plates that the OP inquired about are what
are called "county clerk" plates, issued at the discretion of the local
county clerk.
My parents, who live at Lake George, have county clerk plates starting
with LG. I have no idea what other county clerk series are used in
Warren County (but I'd guess GF for Glens Falls). My grandparents, when
they were alive, lived in Ballston Spa (Saratoga County) and had BS
plates.
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Larry Stone
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http://www.stonejongleux.com/
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