NJ-139 : where the hell..

[josef]

ok so im kinda confused. wondering if any northjerseyites could clear this
up for me.. Nj-139. i read that its a little freeway that connects us-1/9 to
i-78..?

but looking at this map:
http://maps.msn.com/(2lvupc55b0gulyrdgol5ij3t)/MPSvc.aspx?MPMtd=M&ID=27CiJ.&
L=USA&C=40.740484682421865%2c-74.0518955242884&A=6&S=800%2c740&PN=1603774379
&P=|40.73896%2c-74.06226|1|SR-139%2c+Jersey+City%2c+NJ+07306|L1|&UA=40,1&gb=
4


paints a *very* confusing picture.. i see 1/9 going north in two differnet
directions o.O; or something..can anyone clarify whats going on here??

josfe

[Polkajig]

Post by josef
ok so im kinda confused. wondering if any northjerseyites could clear this
up for me.. Nj-139. i read that its a little freeway that connects us-1/9 to
i-78
paints a *very* confusing picture.. i see 1/9 going north in two differnet
directions o.O; or something..can anyone clarify whats going on here??
josfe

well, many people think and state that the Lower Level of NJ Route 139 (locally
called the covered roadway) is the US Rts. 1 and 9. In traffic reports for the
Holland Tunnel, they say how long it takes from the NJTP (the NJTP Newark Bay
Extension/I-78) and Routes 1 & 9 (which is really the lower level of NJ Route
139). As I said, there are two levels of Route 139. The one end is where Route
139 splits inot a lower level and an upper level, but where does the other end
of the upper level of Route 139 end?

Greg Pniewski
Bernardsville, NJ

[josef]

: well, many people think and state that the Lower Level of NJ Route 139
(locally
: called the covered roadway) is the US Rts. 1 and 9. In traffic reports
for the
: Holland Tunnel, they say how long it takes from the NJTP (the NJTP Newark
Bay
: Extension/I-78) and Routes 1 & 9 (which is really the lower level of NJ
Route
: 139). As I said, there are two levels of Route 139. The one end is where
Route
: 139 splits inot a lower level and an upper level, but where does the other
end
: of the upper level of Route 139 end?

oi.. so is it like, route 1/9 turns upwards/northwards and never touches
i-78, and the part of the image i posted labeled 1/9 that touches i-78 is
mislabeled and really just 139??

joe

[gkowal]

The reason many people call it 1&9 is that for many decades it was
designated US Business 1&9, and everybody just called it 1&9.
The NJ 139 designation is more recent and sort of something most people
disregard.
It is a 2 level roadway, with an upper and lower deck going each way,
although the upper level consists of surface streets and traffic light
controlled intersections, while the lower level is controled access with
no lights. The upper is slightly offset from the lower level.

At each end they both reconnect, the upper dropping down to the Tonnelle
circle where it meets 1&9.

There is a large scale rebuild going on at the Western end where "139"
connects to 1&9, 7 & 508.
There are webpages by NJDOT on it.
Loading Image... gives you a photo of
the western end of this interection, where 139 comes in at the right.
http://www.state.nj.us/dot/ea/1_9t_25/ is the home page for that project.

On the Eastern end, I would consider US 1 and US 9 continuing,
multiplexed with I-78 through the Holland Tunnel into Manhattan.

George Kowal, KG2KC

Post by josef
: well, many people think and state that the Lower Level of NJ Route 139
(locally
: called the covered roadway) is the US Rts. 1 and 9. In traffic reports
for the
: Holland Tunnel, they say how long it takes from the NJTP (the NJTP Newark
Bay
: Extension/I-78) and Routes 1 & 9 (which is really the lower level of NJ
Route
: 139). As I said, there are two levels of Route 139. The one end is where
Route
: 139 splits inot a lower level and an upper level, but where does the other
end
: of the upper level of Route 139 end?
oi.. so is it like, route 1/9 turns upwards/northwards and never touches
i-78, and the part of the image i posted labeled 1/9 that touches i-78 is
mislabeled and really just 139??
joe

[josef]

: On the Eastern end, I would consider US 1 and US 9 continuing,
: multiplexed with I-78 through the Holland Tunnel into Manhattan.

but thats not how it is right? 1/9 turns north and thus the need for 139
right?

joe

[Steve]

Post by josef
: On the Eastern end, I would consider US 1 and US 9 continuing,
: multiplexed with I-78 through the Holland Tunnel into Manhattan.
but thats not how it is right? 1/9 turns north and thus the need for 139
right?
joe

Don't get confused. NJites call 495 Route 3, you know. 139 is 139,
even though we call it 1 and 9, even though old signage still calls it
that, and even though it's the 1-9 approach to differentiate it from the
78 approach.
And the Holland Tunnel is I-78.

[gkowal]

Post by Steve

Post by josef
: On the Eastern end, I would consider US 1 and US 9 continuing,
: multiplexed with I-78 through the Holland Tunnel into Manhattan.
but thats not how it is right? 1/9 turns north and thus the need for 139
right?
joe

Don't get confused. NJites call 495 Route 3, you know. 139 is 139,
even though we call it 1 and 9, even though old signage still calls it
that, and even though it's the 1-9 approach to differentiate it from
the 78 approach.
And the Holland Tunnel is I-78.

Here's a new one, I just saw this sign a few days ago, at the ramp
leading down to the Tonnelle Circle from the North/East Skyway, the sign
is posted as US 9 over US 1. Therefore we can now call it 9&1. A few
feet later, another sign is posted as US 1 over US 9. Only in a town
where you can put an office and shopping mall in the middle a street and
force everyone to go around it forever, Jersey City.

Second point. Before we had an I-78, the Holland Tunnel then would've
been US Business 1 & 9, which, as far as I'm concerned, it still IS.
I-78, US Bus 1 & 9 multiplex.

George K.

[josef]

erm.. ok.
in my desparate attempt to simplify this, y/n, is this image correct?
Loading Image...

: Here's a new one, I just saw this sign a few days ago, at the ramp
: leading down to the Tonnelle Circle from the North/East Skyway, the sign
: is posted as US 9 over US 1. Therefore we can now call it 9&1. A few
: feet later, another sign is posted as US 1 over US 9. Only in a town
: where you can put an office and shopping mall in the middle a street and
: force everyone to go around it forever, Jersey City.
:
: Second point. Before we had an I-78, the Holland Tunnel then would've
: been US Business 1 & 9, which, as far as I'm concerned, it still IS.
: I-78, US Bus 1 & 9 multiplex.
:
: George K.

[Steve]

Post by josef
erm.. ok.
in my desparate attempt to simplify this, y/n, is this image correct?
http://www.sushipopsicle.com/139.jpg

Yes. There is a 1 shield in the lower left hand corner which is in fact
on 1&9 Truck, and a 1 shield on what is NJ 139/I-78 toward the Holland
Tunnel. In other words, wherever you took the image from is seriously
fvcked up.

[josef]

ahh cool. thanks for all the info guys.. :)

josef

[gkowal]

Post by Steve

Post by josef
erm.. ok.
in my desparate attempt to simplify this, y/n, is this image correct?
http://www.sushipopsicle.com/139.jpg

Yes. There is a 1 shield in the lower left hand corner which is in
fact on 1&9 Truck, and a 1 shield on what is NJ 139/I-78 toward the
Holland Tunnel. In other words, wherever you took the image from is
seriously fvcked up.

But all the large overhead signs heading West out of the Holland "hole
in the wall" still read US1 US9, And I can not ever imagine that the HT
would just be relegated to I-78 and this half phony NJ139 status without
at least keeping the Business 1 and Business 9 designation that it
always had. Some things, you can not take away.
It's been called 1&9 since before Columbus sailed down Rt 22.

GK

[gkowal]

Post by gkowal

Post by Steve

Post by josef
erm.. ok.
in my desparate attempt to simplify this, y/n, is this image correct?
http://www.sushipopsicle.com/139.jpg

Yes. There is a 1 shield in the lower left hand corner which is in
fact on 1&9 Truck, and a 1 shield on what is NJ 139/I-78 toward the
Holland Tunnel. In other words, wherever you took the image from is
seriously fvcked up.

But all the large overhead signs heading West out of the Holland "hole
in the wall" still read US1 US9, And I can not ever imagine that the
HT would just be relegated to I-78 and this half phony NJ139 status
without at least keeping the Business 1 and Business 9 designation
that it always had. Some things, you can not take away.
It's been called 1&9 since before Columbus sailed down Rt 22.
GK

Aaaaargh! They stole the 1 and 9's from the Holland Tunnel when we
weren't looking!!!
I drove West up the ramps from the Hole-In-The-Wall (HT) this morning,
and past the entrance to the NJ Pike, there was a NJ 139 BEGINS sign.

Well you can always count on guv-mint to screw things up.

GK

[gkowal]

Post by gkowal

Post by gkowal

Post by Steve

Post by josef
erm.. ok.
in my desparate attempt to simplify this, y/n, is this image correct?
http://www.sushipopsicle.com/139.jpg

Yes. There is a 1 shield in the lower left hand corner which is in
fact on 1&9 Truck, and a 1 shield on what is NJ 139/I-78 toward the
Holland Tunnel. In other words, wherever you took the image from is
seriously fvcked up.

But all the large overhead signs heading West out of the Holland
"hole in the wall" still read US1 US9, And I can not ever imagine
that the HT would just be relegated to I-78 and this half phony NJ139
status without at least keeping the Business 1 and Business 9
designation that it always had. Some things, you can not take away.
It's been called 1&9 since before Columbus sailed down Rt 22.
GK

Aaaaargh! They stole the 1 and 9's from the Holland Tunnel when we
weren't looking!!!
I drove West up the ramps from the Hole-In-The-Wall (HT) this morning,
and past the entrance to the NJ Pike, there was a NJ 139 BEGINS sign.
Well you can always count on guv-mint to screw things up.
GK

OK, well
MSN/Mapblast agrees that NJ139 is also US1&9, as in
http://www.mapblast.com/(vt1z3s45lkdksib34lp34z55)/map.aspx?L=USA&C=40.73065%2c-74.04468&A=7.16667&P=|40.73065%2c-74.04468|1|12th+St%2c+Jersey+City%2c+NJ+07310|L1|
If you zoom in on that one, you will see 1's and 9's labelled all over 139.

Mapquest calls it US Highway 1 and 9, as in
http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?mqmap.x=50&mqmap.y=132&mapdata=cbPRZSKSHGTH6Kn2144nhQyI8XhjOTZWviH7r6MLZNDs%252bMyT8VbVr7ys4kjydIUmRIwFMKamgZaoBp5UsjkNho9Fhq0tjq%252f%252brMi5GDVgH%252bzRxkdPzHKBFVTVBAdNZo35rVHFgbkhseApWnqDhNcVpTXYOvjq2YOCzPoCleNdKmQBkXkVxIUEuFNn%252fAPrjhPspBBcvnawS8ScSnY%252fFAOZgfQSzVAgEA2xZ7cT4%252bBx0WlmPIhHRepy6qtEEJCZcAOvAs91pqQy2w1NrDXfQ%252f6o9SHwFpDd%252bPI9Wa7CWgToW5nBg5cGRkj5buNLe0J3sXMnsDkELawWh%252bm9eiiDSLnQnXEpTvN7jbNsflQOC0XK83M%253d&click=center
with no mention of 139 at all.

Mapsonus just calls it State Highway, as in
http://mapsonus.switchboard.com/bin/maps-maponly/usr=~3f9b3cc3.e71eb.29e.9/c=2/isredir=1/

Yahoo Maps shows US 1 and US 9 heading towards that Holland hole in the
wall too, like this,,
http://maps.yahoo.com/maps_result?ed=YPhepup_0TobEAXfTV3OgA--&csz=JERSEY+CITY%2C+NJ&country=us

Rand McNally's shows the highway dual labeled as NJ 139 AND US 1 and US
9, like so,

http://www.randmcnally.com/rmc/directions/dirGetMap.jsp?BV_SessionID=@@@@0108315884.1067138831@@@@&BV_EngineID=ccccadcjkdjifiicgencfhjdfiidfin.0&cmty=0&Q=http%3a%2f%2fmaps.rmservers.com%2fmap%3fr%3dIMAG%257C%2525PD%253D492,292%2525LL%253D40%252E731201,%252D74%252E038803%2525ZM%253DM1332%252E83%2525LLICON%253DIcon10,40%252E731201,%252D74%252E035248,,Font11,R%257C%2525MS%253DB%257C%257C%26d%3d75%26t%3dmn%26z%3d10%26id%3dRMC%26tid%3d0108315884.1067138987.580692%26fix%3d1%26h%3d6091A1EB9D2C226275CA5E519E908577&n=&A=1-96+14th+St&C=Jersey+City&S=NJ&Z=&z=small&l=10&T=40.7312&N=-74.0353&CT=40.7312&CN=-74.0389&h=false&c=USA&a=&arpt=&sLatLongAddr=true&val=W

So therefore it's rather unanimous that it's US 1 and 9, and that
supports local habits and traditions.

George Kowal

[Mark Baber]

Post by gkowal
Mapsonus just calls it State Highway, as in

State Highway is what we locals have always called the upper level of
this road (whatever its number is) and that's what street signs call
it. The lower level is called the "Depressed Highway" by locals and
the "covered roadway" by traffic reporters.

[Raymond C Martin Jr]

Post by gkowal

Post by gkowal

Post by Steve

Post by josef
erm.. ok.
in my desparate attempt to simplify this, y/n, is this image correct?
http://www.sushipopsicle.com/139.jpg

Yes. There is a 1 shield in the lower left hand corner which is in
fact on 1&9 Truck, and a 1 shield on what is NJ 139/I-78 toward the
Holland Tunnel. In other words, wherever you took the image from is
seriously fvcked up.

But all the large overhead signs heading West out of the Holland "hole
in the wall" still read US1 US9, And I can not ever imagine that the
HT would just be relegated to I-78 and this half phony NJ139 status
without at least keeping the Business 1 and Business 9 designation
that it always had. Some things, you can not take away.
It's been called 1&9 since before Columbus sailed down Rt 22.
GK

Aaaaargh! They stole the 1 and 9's from the Holland Tunnel when we
weren't looking!!!
I drove West up the ramps from the Hole-In-The-Wall (HT) this morning,
and past the entrance to the NJ Pike, there was a NJ 139 BEGINS sign.

http://web.njit.edu/~cgm3/roads/ends/139/nj139.htm

If you're talking about this sign (second picture), then its been up
for a long time (several years at least).

====
Raymond C Martin Jr
http://www.njfreeways.com/

[gkowal]

Post by Raymond C Martin Jr

Post by gkowal

Post by gkowal
Some things, you can not take away.
It's been called 1&9 since before Columbus sailed down Rt 22.
GK

Aaaaargh! They stole the 1 and 9's from the Holland Tunnel when we
weren't looking!!!
I drove West up the ramps from the Hole-In-The-Wall (HT) this morning,
and past the entrance to the NJ Pike, there was a NJ 139 BEGINS sign.

http://web.njit.edu/~cgm3/roads/ends/139/nj139.htm
If you're talking about this sign (second picture), then its been up
for a long time (several years at least).
====
Raymond C Martin Jr
http://www.njfreeways.com/

That's the one. BTW, the 2nd pic down from that, as you down on the
Eastern ramp to get to the Tonelle circle is where US 9 & 1 is posted
(vs 1&9).
3/4 of that circle was closed last night for road work. I think it's
gonna look a bit different after the rebuild is done.

George Kowal, KG2KC

[Steve]

Post by Raymond C Martin Jr

Post by gkowal

Post by gkowal

Post by Steve

Post by josef
erm.. ok.
in my desparate attempt to simplify this, y/n, is this image correct?
http://www.sushipopsicle.com/139.jpg

Yes. There is a 1 shield in the lower left hand corner which is in
fact on 1&9 Truck, and a 1 shield on what is NJ 139/I-78 toward the
Holland Tunnel. In other words, wherever you took the image from is
seriously fvcked up.

But all the large overhead signs heading West out of the Holland "hole
in the wall" still read US1 US9, And I can not ever imagine that the
HT would just be relegated to I-78 and this half phony NJ139 status
without at least keeping the Business 1 and Business 9 designation
that it always had. Some things, you can not take away.
It's been called 1&9 since before Columbus sailed down Rt 22.
GK

Aaaaargh! They stole the 1 and 9's from the Holland Tunnel when we
weren't looking!!!
I drove West up the ramps from the Hole-In-The-Wall (HT) this morning,
and past the entrance to the NJ Pike, there was a NJ 139 BEGINS sign.

http://web.njit.edu/~cgm3/roads/ends/139/nj139.htm
If you're talking about this sign (second picture), then its been up
for a long time (several years at least).

Loading Image...
Compare this to the bottom of your site. The TRUCKS sign is down and
probably gone.

[gkowal]

Post by Steve
http://web/smalpert/www/roads/nj/nj_139/wb-kennedy_blvd.jpg
Compare this to the bottom of your site. The TRUCKS sign is down and
probably gone.

Looks like you left out .mit.edu out of the url above.

Try clicking on this to pull up the pic.
Loading Image...

Not sure where that sign gantry is, but all your other pics on NJ139
look correct except I think a new I-78 sign was added where the ramp for
the Wbound turnpike spur starts at this pic
Loading Image...

George K

[Steve]

Post by gkowal

Post by gkowal
http://web.mit.edu/smalpert/www/roads/nj/nj_139/wb-kennedy_blvd.jpg
Compare this to the bottom of your site. The TRUCKS sign is down and
probably gone.

Looks like you left out .mit.edu out of the url above.

Corrected, thanks. You don't need .mit.edu when your computer's in the
mit.edu domain.

Post by gkowal
Not sure where that sign gantry is, but all your other pics on NJ139
look correct except I think a new I-78 sign was added where the ramp for
the Wbound turnpike spur starts at this pic
http://web.mit.edu/smalpert/www/roads/nj/nj_139/wb-turnpike.jpg

"My" gantry is just before you go on the underground portion of 139, the
last BGS's you'll see before the Skyway.
I'm hoping that the I-78 shield was tacked on the blank space at the
bottom of that BGS, where clearly there was once some writing. I also
hope that they keep the vintage structure up there awhile longer (anyone
know how old it is?).

[Raymond C Martin Jr]

Post by Steve

Post by gkowal

Post by gkowal
http://web.mit.edu/smalpert/www/roads/nj/nj_139/wb-kennedy_blvd.jpg
Compare this to the bottom of your site. The TRUCKS sign is down and
probably gone.

Looks like you left out .mit.edu out of the url above.

Corrected, thanks. You don't need .mit.edu when your computer's in the
mit.edu domain.

Post by gkowal
Not sure where that sign gantry is, but all your other pics on NJ139
look correct except I think a new I-78 sign was added where the ramp for
the Wbound turnpike spur starts at this pic
http://web.mit.edu/smalpert/www/roads/nj/nj_139/wb-turnpike.jpg

"My" gantry is just before you go on the underground portion of 139, the
last BGS's you'll see before the Skyway.
I'm hoping that the I-78 shield was tacked on the blank space at the
bottom of that BGS, where clearly there was once some writing. I also
hope that they keep the vintage structure up there awhile longer (anyone
know how old it is?).

Most likely it dates to the construction of the Newark Bay Extension
(1956), since the exact same design is used for gantries at the
interchange of I-95 and NJ 700 (NJTP Exit 6).

====
Raymond C Martin Jr
http://www.njfreeways.com/

[Pete from Boston]

Post by Raymond C Martin Jr

Post by Steve

Post by gkowal

Post by gkowal
http://web.mit.edu/smalpert/www/roads/nj/nj_139/wb-kennedy_blvd.jpg
Compare this to the bottom of your site. The TRUCKS sign is down and
probably gone.

Looks like you left out .mit.edu out of the url above.

Corrected, thanks. You don't need .mit.edu when your computer's in the
mit.edu domain.

Post by gkowal
Not sure where that sign gantry is, but all your other pics on NJ139
look correct except I think a new I-78 sign was added where the ramp for
the Wbound turnpike spur starts at this pic
http://web.mit.edu/smalpert/www/roads/nj/nj_139/wb-turnpike.jpg

"My" gantry is just before you go on the underground portion of 139, the
last BGS's you'll see before the Skyway.
I'm hoping that the I-78 shield was tacked on the blank space at the
bottom of that BGS, where clearly there was once some writing. I also
hope that they keep the vintage structure up there awhile longer (anyone
know how old it is?).

Most likely it dates to the construction of the Newark Bay Extension
(1956), since the exact same design is used for gantries at the
interchange of I-95 and NJ 700 (NJTP Exit 6).

That gantry, to me, is fine art. I don't know any other road that was
given aesthetic treatments anything like the Turnpike. Industrial
designers and art historians must salivate at those things.

[gkowal]

Post by Steve

Post by gkowal
http://web.mit.edu/smalpert/www/roads/nj/nj_139/wb-kennedy_blvd.jpg

Post by Steve
Compare this to the bottom of your site. The TRUCKS sign is down
and probably gone.

Looks like you left out .mit.edu out of the url above.

Corrected, thanks. You don't need .mit.edu when your computer's in
the mit.edu domain.

Post by gkowal
Not sure where that sign gantry is, but all your other pics on NJ139
look correct except I think a new I-78 sign was added where the ramp
for the Wbound turnpike spur starts at this pic
http://web.mit.edu/smalpert/www/roads/nj/nj_139/wb-turnpike.jpg

"My" gantry is just before you go on the underground portion of 139,
the last BGS's you'll see before the Skyway.
I'm hoping that the I-78 shield was tacked on the blank space at the
bottom of that BGS, where clearly there was once some writing. I also
hope that they keep the vintage structure up there awhile longer
(anyone know how old it is?).

I went through there about 24 hours ago and saw the gantry in your pic
as noted above. It's still totally intact as pictured, with the old
middle sign missing.

On the 78 split-off ramp, the newer I-78 is ground mounted, near and
just to to left of the gore, with an arrow pointing to the right.

George Kowal, KG2KC

[Pete from Boston]

Post by Steve

Post by josef
: On the Eastern end, I would consider US 1 and US 9 continuing,
: multiplexed with I-78 through the Holland Tunnel into Manhattan.
but thats not how it is right? 1/9 turns north and thus the need for 139
right?
joe

Don't get confused. NJites call 495 Route 3, you know. 139 is 139,
even though we call it 1 and 9, even though old signage still calls it
that, and even though it's the 1-9 approach to differentiate it from the
78 approach.
And the Holland Tunnel is I-78.

To complicate things further, don't forget that you'll hear traffic
reports often refer to 139 as simply the "covered roadway."

I still don't get the skewy NJDOT engineer logic that thought that
people would have an easier time changing it to 139 in their heads
because the 3 resembled the ampersand in 1&9. I think that's
hilarious, particularly because half the time I didn't even see the
ampersand used.

[Polkajig]

Post by josef
: On the Eastern end, I would consider US 1 and US 9 continuing,
: multiplexed with I-78 through the Holland Tunnel into Manhattan.
but thats not how it is right? 1/9 turns north and thus the need for 139
right?
joe

you are correct. Route 139 starts at US Rts. 1/9 and ends at the NY/NJ State
Line inside the Holland Tunnel. US Rts. 1/9 goes up Tonnele Avenue up to
Bergen County where it joins US Rt. 46 and then joins I-95 across the George
Washington Bridge where US Rt. 46 ends at the NY/NJ State Line on the bridge.
US Rt. 9 leaves the US Rt. 1/I-95 multiplex at Exit 1 to continue to its
northern terminus at the US/CA border (NY/QU border). While, US Rt. 1 leaves
I-95 onto Webster Avenue and continues through the Bronx and Westchester
county, through Connecticut, Rhode Island, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, and
Maine to the US/CA border (ME/NB border).

Greg Pniewski
Bernardsville, NJ

[Polkajig]

Post by josef
oi.. so is it like, route 1/9 turns upwards/northwards and never touches
i-78, and the part of the image i posted labeled 1/9 that touches i-78 is
mislabeled and really just 139??
joe

yeah. well, US Rts. 1/9 do meet I-78, but in Newark near Newark Airport.

Greg Pniewski
Bernardsville, NJ

[Steve]

Post by josef
ok so im kinda confused. wondering if any northjerseyites could clear this
up for me.. Nj-139. i read that its a little freeway that connects us-1/9 to
i-78..?
http://maps.msn.com/(2lvupc55b0gulyrdgol5ij3t)/MPSvc.aspx?MPMtd=M&ID=27CiJ.&
L=USA&C=40.740484682421865%2c-74.0518955242884&A=6&S=800%2c740&PN=1603774379
&P=|40.73896%2c-74.06226|1|SR-139%2c+Jersey+City%2c+NJ+07306|L1|&UA=40,1&gb=
4
paints a *very* confusing picture.. i see 1/9 going north in two differnet
directions o.O; or something..can anyone clarify whats going on here??
josfe

Your image is coming up not an image. But anyway:
After the 1&9/21/22/78 terror, US 1&9 splits into north and south
roadways through Newark. The SB roadway (express/local) is the original
elevated 1&9 viaduct, while the NB is new - it's several blocks away
from SB, although each is visible from the other, because there wasn't
room to twin the original.
At the top of Newark, NB and SB come back together. US 1&9 proper
follows the Pulaski Skyway, while underneath and just to the south, US
1&9 Truck follows a surface expressway. The truck route is where NJ 440
and NJ 7 end. 1/9 and 1&9 Truck come together at the Tonnele Circle.
US 1&9 then goes straight north from there, past NJ 495 (and the end of
NJ 3) and up toward US 46 and ultimately the GWB. NJ 139 lower level is
a direct continuation of the Skyway, and runs underground, coming up a
few blocks shy of the tunnel. I-78 all this time has been a few miles
south of US 1&9, but curves north and meets the lower level of 139 just
as it's coming back out.
About 139 upper level: It is, in fact, above the lower level. It's easy
to access heading WB (just don't go toward I-78 or US 1&9), and the EB
upper level comes right down into the lower. The WB upper level ends at
a cross street, and you must make a left and turn right to come back
into the Tonnele Circle and get to 1/9. I don't know how EB traffic
gets to the upper level, though.

[Mark Baber]

I don't know how EB traffic gets to the upper level, though.

Through several city streets in Jersey City. There's no direct
connection from either part of 1/9 North to 139 East. In fact, it's
often faster to take the lower level (locally called the Depressed
Highway) east to Jersey Avenue (where it and the Turnpike come
together), then make two lefts onto the westbound upper level, than it
is to negotiate Tonnelle and St. Pauls Avenues and Kennedy Boulevard
to the upper level of 139 East.

[Bill Mitchell]

Post by Steve

Post by josef
ok so im kinda confused. wondering if any northjerseyites could clear this
up for me.. Nj-139. i read that its a little freeway that connects us-1/9 to
i-78..?

After the 1&9/21/22/78 terror, US 1&9 splits into north and south
roadways through Newark. The SB roadway (express/local) is the original
elevated 1&9 viaduct, while the NB is new - it's several blocks away

Make that "was the original elevated 1&9 viaduct" which was demolished
a few years ago and then completely replaced by a new pre cast
concrete viaduct. The replacement project started in the mid eighties,
and may have been done as two separate projects. They first rebuilt
the northbound roadway, then ran both north and south on the new
northbound roadway. Meanwhile the original viaduct sat dormant for a
year or so. Then they finally demolished the original and then
replaced it. They also replaced the South Street viaduct over the RR
tracks at the same time while also changing the ramps at South St.,
Wilson Ave and Foundary St.

[Mike Tantillo]

Post by josef
ok so im kinda confused. wondering if any northjerseyites could clear this
up for me.. Nj-139. i read that its a little freeway that connects us-1/9 to
i-78..?
http://maps.msn.com/(2lvupc55b0gulyrdgol5ij3t)/MPSvc.aspx?MPMtd=M&ID=27CiJ.&
L=USA&C=40.740484682421865%2c-74.0518955242884&A=6&S=800%2c740&PN=1603774379
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4

surprised no one has mentioned how 139 got its number. NJ 1&9 and 139
look fairly similar (3 looks like &). Therefore, many people probably
glance at the signs really fast and think it says 1&9! Also, when
heading from the tunnel, the overhead signs don't mention 139, they
just say US 1/US 9....(should say to us 1, to us 9).

Post by josef
paints a *very* confusing picture.. i see 1/9 going north in two differnet
directions o.O; or something..can anyone clarify whats going on here??
josfe